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ATSF Passenger Car Prototypical Models
This list does not include brass imported models.
Revised 9/28/04
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Heavyweight
| Mfg. number |
Car number |
Length | Description | Prototype |
Rivarossi
| 2716 | 2602 | 85' | Combine | Rider Car, 2602-2608, not RPO. Considerably modification to make pre-1937 buffet-library cars. |
| 2732 |
1418 | 85' |
Diner | |
| 2718 |
35 | 85' |
Observation | |
| 2717 | St. Croix/ Manhattan |
85' | Pullman | |
| 2807 |
1310, 1307 | 70 |
RPO |
| 70 | Baggage | Pass for Mail Storage 1800 - 1819 and Baggage Express 1589-1839. Steel panels incorrect, incorrect door placement. |
Athearn has released their shorty heavyweight cars in Valley paint. These cars are too short and not of Santa Fe design.
Branchline announced
| 10-1-2 Sleeper, Pullman paint | ||
| 8-1-2 Sleeper, 2 tone gray |
Plan 3979a, Cenetarch, Centacre, Centgate. Pullman paint also available |
These were the two most common sleeper designs on the ATSF.
New England Rail Service
New England Rail Service does not make cars. However they make conversion kits for the kitbasher to add air conditioning ducts to the Rivarossi cars and to convert the Rivarossi 12-1 Pullman to other Pullman configurations. Their kits include:
| 310 | 10-2 | "Peak" and "Point" series. |
| 311 | 14 sec | "Famous Men" series . |
| 315 | 8-1-2 | "Cent " series. Most common HWT on ATSF |
| 250 |
Pullman Air Conditioning Duct |
Spectrum Not ATSF
Walthers once made line of passenger car kits for heavyweight cars which were combination of metal, wood, plastic parts. Definitely craftsman style kits, the kits also carried several variants of Walthers part or stock numbers. Early cars had wooden roofs; later cars had plastic roofs. Sides are stamped metal with little detail. Doors are also stamped metal and tend to have windows which are too large.
| 7850/6650 |
70 | Santa Fe 1820-1829 baggage (3' short, door spacing off, and wrong doors). |
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7851/6651 | 60 |
Santa Fe 57-59, 70-79 RPO. Close, but doors are incorrect. |
| 7852/6652 | 70 | Santa Fe 2024-2048 baggage-RPO. Large door opening is too large and door incorrect. Car is 3' short. |
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7853/6653 | 75 |
Santa Fe 2622-2639 combine. Close for 2625, 33, and 35. Large door is too large. Used in mixed service as caboose. |
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7854/6654 | 75 |
Santa Fe 111-112 smoker-RPO. 65 seat, 15' apartment. |
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7855/6655 | 75 |
Santa Fe 799-816 chair-smoker. Car is closer to 812-816 partitioned coach and 1030-1037 Chair cars. |
| 7856/6656 | 75 | Santa Fe 3030-3067 coach |
| 7857/6657 | 80 | Santa Fe 3230-3233 parlor |
| 7858/6658 | 75 | Santa Fe 1532-1537 lounge. Close for 1535, 36. Car is 3' short. |
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7859/6659 | 80 |
Santa Fe 1360-1368 dorm-lounge. Close for 1360, 61. Windows not spaced totally correct. |
| 7860/6660 |
80 | Santa Fe 1400-1418 diner |
| 7861/6661 |
80 | Santa Fe 1513-1514 cafe-observation |
| FP5-H |
75 | Santa Fe 3345-3362 coach |
| 6663 | 52' | Santa Fe 400-409 business-observation |
| 7803/6603 |
80' | Pullman 10 section-lounge-observation |
| 7804/6604 |
80' | Pullman 3-2 lounge-observation |
| 7814/6614 |
80' | Pullman 14 section |
| 7807/6607 | 80' | Pullman 16 section |
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7816/6616 | 80' |
Pullman 10-1-2 |
| 7811/6611 |
80' | Pullman 8-1-2 |
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7802/6602 | 80' |
Pullman 12-1 |
| 7818/6618/FP2-H | 80' | Pullman 6-3 |
See my Web page to get ideas on other cars you can kitbash.
Lightweight
| 1781 | 72 | Baggage fluted | |
| 1801 |
60 | RPO fluted |
Budd, close to 80 and 81. Can be adapted to 89-90 ad 82-88 with more work.. |
| 502 | 80 | Full Length Dome, with interior, MSRP $24 |
Concor MSRP $17
| 742 | 3447 | 70' | Baggage, fluted | Close to Budd 3432-3452. You have to substitute a Budd roof (Concor Part #70, cut down). |
| 702 |
2865 | 85' |
Coach, fluted | Close to Budd-built ATSF 3137 class, but you have to substitute a Budd roof (Concor Part #70). |
| 722 |
604 | 85' |
Diner, fluted | |
| 712 |
502 | 85' |
Dome, fluted | |
| 792 |
Pine Bluff | 85' |
10-6 Pullman, fluted | Bedroom side is correct for "Pine" class, corridor side has 3 extra windows. |
Concor: Valley Flyer, 72, Not ATSF
Rivarossi / IHC MSRP $16
| 47783 |
Vista Canyon | 85 |
Observation fluted - Plan 4115 - 4 Drawing Room, 1 Bedroom, Observation Lounge | |
| 47786 |
Indian Squaw | 85 |
Duplex Sleeper fluted - Plan 4100B - 24 Duplex Roomette Sleeper | |
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85 | Vista Dome fluted - Plan 7616 - Dome Bar Lounge |
Baggage, RPO, coach, and diner are Southern Rwy models.
Rivarossi (AHM) Smooth side All cars Not ATSF
Rivarossi, fluted side, not current run, but produced in the 80s with different tooling.
10-6 Budd, close to Pine series
Observation, none-such Budd chair-observations. Basis for kitbashing.
Walthers, ATSF Prototypes:
See also a review at: http://atsfrr.net/resources/Sandifer/Review/Walthers/WalthersIndex.htm| Number | Notes |
| 932-6305 85' Budd 46-Seat Coach | Blt. 1953, #2816-2860 (PCL5:113) |
| 932-16303 85' 46-Seat Coach without skirts | Blt. 1953, #2816-2860 (PCL5:113). Skirts were later removed for easy maintenance. |
| 932-9001 Budd Pine Series 10-6 Sleeper | There are numerous differences from the 932-6345 above. Pines were delivered 1949-50. |
| 932-6405 73' Budd Baggage | #3500 series, blt. 1953+ (PCL5:107) |
| 932-16403 73' Budd Baggage without skits. | #3500 series, blt. 1953+ (PCL5:107). Skirts were later removed for easy maintenance. |
| 932-9002 Budd 73' Baggage | The same as 932-6405 above. |
| 932-6445 63' Budd RPO Car | #89-98, blt. 1954 (PCL5:110) |
| 932-9007 Budd 63' RPO | Announced for 07/04. Assume to be the same as 932-6445 above. |
| 932-6702 Fluted PS 4-4-2 Sleeper | 1938, Plan 4069C, Lot 6553 and 6597. The prewar fluted-side cars were used on the Chief and on the Super Chief until replaced by the Regal series cars of 1947. (P-SL1:29) |
| 932-9005 PS 4-4-2 Sleeper | Advertised as the 1938 Hotevilla series (smooth skirts), lot 6553, Plan 4069C. (P-SL1:29) This is the same as 932-6702 above. Kit comes with Regal decals, but is not a Regal car. |
| 932-6722 Smooth-Side PS 6-6-4 Sleepers | IC King Cotton, UP American, ATSF Valley. Lot 6669 plan 4099, built in 1941-42. The ATSF paint is from the mid 50s. (P-SL1:73) |
| 932-6742 Smooth-Side PS 10-5 Sleepers | Lot 6606 Plan 4072B, the Santa Fe Cascade series which included 2 cars, Cascade Mills and Cascade Shoals. The ATSF paint is from the mid 50s. |
| 932-9003 PS 36 Seat Diner | It is the 1950 built 600-606, Lot 6851, Plan 7625, blt. 1950. (P-SL1:151) |
| 932-9004 PS 29 Seat Dormitory Lounge | It is the Lot 6849, Plan 7623, built 1950, #1339-44, (P-SL1:146) |
| 932-9006 PS Pleasure Dome | It is the #500-5, Lot 6836, Plan 7616, blt. 12/50. (P-SL1:121) |
| 932-9008 PS Vista Series Obs-Lounge | Lot 6757, Plan 4115, built in 1947, these included Vista Canyon, Cavern, Heights, and Valley. They were squared off in 1956. (P-SL1:109) |
Lightweight Craftsman kits
American Model Builders Laserkit , MSRP $44.95
| 1500 | 85 | "Valley" Series Sleeper, smooth side, 6-6-4 (Needs Eastern Car works kit #117-1200) |
| 1501 |
85 | 4-4-2 fluted sleeper (Nankoweap) Hotevilla Series |
| 1502 |
74 | 3939 Series Baggage Car |
Brass Car Sides, Requires Eastern or TSP core kit
| 173-9 |
85 | Pullman "American" 6-6-4 Pullman (Plan 4099), Valley series car. $26.75 |
| 173-17 |
85 | Pullman "Cascade" 10-5 Pullman (Plan 4072) $26.75 |
Eastern Car Works (Requires Eastern or TSP core kit)
| 1205 |
85 | |
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1330 | 85' |
Santa Fe Railway Historical & Modeling Society , (Requires Eastern or TSP core kit) Eastern Kit MSRP $10, SFRHMS kit $45 members, $65 non members.
| ACF RPO #82-88 |
| ACF Baggage #3453-3466 |
| ACF 10-6 Palm Series Sleeper |
| ACF 4-4-2 Regal Series Sleeper |
| Pullman #500-506 Pleasure Dome Bar Lounge |
| Pullman Diner #600-606 |
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Pullman Dorm Lounge # 1339-1344 (requires Concor dome kit) |
| Pullman 4-1 Vista Sleeper Lounge Observation |
| Pullman 2861-2911 Series 44 seat coach |
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Lunch Counter Diner |
| Pullman 10-3-2 "Blue" Series Sleeper |
| Pullman Early 8-2-2 Sleeper "Tolchico" |
| Pullman Early 4-4-2 "Hotevilla", Mojave Series Sleeper |
Union Station: MSRP $22-25, requires Eastern or TSP core kit.
| 4058 | 85 | 8-2-2 PS fluted prewar sleeper $25. |
| 4099 | 85 | 6-6-4 PS smooth side sleeper $22. |
| 4100B |
85 | "Indian" series 24 roomette sleeper, fluted, $25. |
| 4115 |
85 | "Vista" series 4dr-1br lounge observation, fluted. Super Chief, not in current catalog. |
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4144 | 85 |
"Regal" series 4db-4cmpt-2dr sleeper, PS fluted. 1948 & 50 Super Chief, $25. |
| 4145 |
85 | "Blue" series 10rmt-3br-2cmpt sleeper, PS fluted. 1948 Super Chief, $25. |
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7503 | 85 |
2900 series 44 seat coach, PS fluted with skirts. 1950 El Capitan, $25. |
| 7503A |
85 | 2900 series 44 seat coach, PS fluted (no center skirts). 1950 El Capitan, $25. |
|
7504 | 85 |
3100 series divided (Jim Crow) 50 seat coach, fluted. 1947 Texas Chief, $25. |
| 7506 |
85 | Baggage-Dormitory, PS Fluted, 1947 El Capitan, $25. |
| 7506T |
85 | Same as above with transition topper on end of car to go from std. Level to high level, 1956 El Capitan. Not in current catalog. |
| 7507 |
85 | Bar lounge car, PS fluted. 1947 El Capitan, $25. |
| 7623 |
85 | Dormitory-lounge car, PS fluted. 1950 Super Chief, $25. |
| 7625 |
85 | 36 seat Dining car, PS fluted. 1950 Super Chief, $25. |
| 7652 |
64' | Baggage, PS Smooth Side, $22. |
| 7653 | 74' | Baggage, PS Smooth Side, $22. |
Limited Editions
No longer available these kits were a combination of metal and plastic. 1938 Pullman-Standard sleeping cars (streamlined) for the Chief and Super Chief included: 4-4-2, 8-2-2, 17 roomette, 14 section, and 4-1 sleeper-obs.
Hi Level
Train Station MSRP $33
| 812 | 85 | Step up Coach |
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822 | 85 |
Coach |
| 832 |
85 | Diner |
Fleischmann also produced Hi Level cars in the 60s. These cars had no undercarriage details and were short. http://www.fleischmann.de/
Express Cars
| 2908 | 60 numbers | 50' |
Express Box, Pull Grn | |
|
5034 | 4159 |
50 | Express Box, Pull Grn, $5.75 |
Good for 4100-4399, FE-24. Model is for 1944-1961, but should have black roof. |
| 2306 |
50' | 2 Express Box, Gray with large logo, Green w/logo. | ||
| 5536 | 1268 | 50' | Wood side express box, REX |
Proto made a 50' Automobile Box Car with end doors which is not exact for the ATSF FE-29 express box cars, 9700-9749, but would fool all but purists. Proto did not produce the proper paint, so custom painting in coach green would be needed. Click for details.
Walthers:
| 932-6241 | Blt. 1960 | REA paint for 1960 |
| 932-6242 | Blt. 1960 | REA paint for 1961 |
| 932-6243 | Blt. 1960 | REA paint for 1962 |
| 2500 |
50 | Express Reefer, |
Announced but not produced as yet. |
Foreign Cars on the Santa Fe
A special web page has been designed to discuss this subject. Click here to view it.
A Word of Caution.
The publication, Car and Locomotive Plans for Model Railroaders published in 1948 and 1953 has been the source of plans for a number of manufacturers of brass and plastic. Unfortunately faulty plans have resulted in erroneous models. The Concor Baggage Car was based on a drawing of 3446-3452 that shows a smooth roof when the roof was Budd fluted. Coach 3137-3166 has a fluted roof photograph but a smooth roof drawing.
Also one can not always believe the captions for photos.
